Comments for the newcastle hilton http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com just another useless space for recording thoughts.... Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:38:28 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 Comment on The Multiple Staff and the Larger Church by Josh M http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/the-multiple-staff-and-the-larger-church/#comment-133 Josh M Wed, 29 Jul 2009 01:38:28 +0000 http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/the-multiple-staff-and-the-larger-church/#comment-133 I guess in our situation, we're not considering the 'nation-type' churches, which is what I was more thinking about in my response. I was only referring to the apostles in the context of them having authority over the original church(es). One thing to consider; does modern-day technology allow for a 'flattening' of government? In the past, to consult everyone would have required meetings that would grow exponentially in length. But now, everyone could submit an letter/email/tweet/etc, which are then summarised/collated and involved in the decision process. Sure, it's a bit more effort than just consulting a small group of leaders, but it's doable I guess the difficulty arises in defining church 'government'. It's a collection of a whole number of separate responsibilities which need to addressed separately with regards to the matter of how everyone should be involved. I guess in our situation, we’re not considering the ‘nation-type’ churches, which is what I was more thinking about in my response.

I was only referring to the apostles in the context of them having authority over the original church(es).

One thing to consider; does modern-day technology allow for a ‘flattening’ of government? In the past, to consult everyone would have required meetings that would grow exponentially in length. But now, everyone could submit an letter/email/tweet/etc, which are then summarised/collated and involved in the decision process. Sure, it’s a bit more effort than just consulting a small group of leaders, but it’s doable

I guess the difficulty arises in defining church ‘government’. It’s a collection of a whole number of separate responsibilities which need to addressed separately with regards to the matter of how everyone should be involved.

]]> Comment on The Multiple Staff and the Larger Church by Sam http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/the-multiple-staff-and-the-larger-church/#comment-132 Sam Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:24:24 +0000 http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/the-multiple-staff-and-the-larger-church/#comment-132 Hey Josh... thanks for reading! I am not sure that the NT necessarily prescribes this approach that Sheller argues for. All I think Sheller is saying that some forms of church government suit different situations. Eg. to have a church of 1000 people operating on a traditionally baptist model where the whole congregation is consulted before decisions are made is simply not functional. Whereas in a church of 20-30 people that could work. So within the bounds of NT church polity we have freedom to work out ways to govern the church. thoughts? not sure where you are going with the apostles questions. I know Sovereign Grace have modern day apostle like equivalents... but i am unconvinced by their arguments. Hey Josh… thanks for reading! I am not sure that the NT necessarily prescribes this approach that Sheller argues for. All I think Sheller is saying that some forms of church government suit different situations. Eg. to have a church of 1000 people operating on a traditionally baptist model where the whole congregation is consulted before decisions are made is simply not functional. Whereas in a church of 20-30 people that could work. So within the bounds of NT church polity we have freedom to work out ways to govern the church. thoughts?

not sure where you are going with the apostles questions. I know Sovereign Grace have modern day apostle like equivalents… but i am unconvinced by their arguments.

]]> Comment on The Multiple Staff and the Larger Church by Josh M http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/the-multiple-staff-and-the-larger-church/#comment-131 Josh M Tue, 28 Jul 2009 09:52:57 +0000 http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/07/28/the-multiple-staff-and-the-larger-church/#comment-131 Where's the evidence for this approach in the NT? My understanding was that each church would tend to operate individually, while still recognising the authority of the apostles and helping out each other. What modern-day equivalent do we have for the apostles? On one hand, we have the Catholics arguing that Peter had the power to dictate anything, and that power was inherited down through the Popes. Then you have looser denominational governments, all the way over to independent, self-governing churches. I'll think some more on this... Where’s the evidence for this approach in the NT? My understanding was that each church would tend to operate individually, while still recognising the authority of the apostles and helping out each other.

What modern-day equivalent do we have for the apostles? On one hand, we have the Catholics arguing that Peter had the power to dictate anything, and that power was inherited down through the Popes. Then you have looser denominational governments, all the way over to independent, self-governing churches.

I’ll think some more on this…

]]> Comment on Susan Boyle by Cindy http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/susan-boyle/#comment-130 Cindy Thu, 16 Jul 2009 15:47:53 +0000 http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/susan-boyle/#comment-130 Love Susan! can't wait for her CD! Love Susan! can’t wait for her CD!

]]> Comment on Taking time off in ministry by Josh M http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/07/09/taking-time-off/#comment-129 Josh M Fri, 10 Jul 2009 00:19:40 +0000 http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/?p=226#comment-129 This might also be a good method for myself, and other people involved in small business. This might also be a good method for myself, and other people involved in small business.

]]> Comment on Recent Surf in the Harbour at Newy by Rosie http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/04/09/recnet-surf-int-he-harbour-at-newy/#comment-128 Rosie Sat, 11 Apr 2009 05:24:49 +0000 http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/04/09/recnet-surf-int-he-harbour-at-newy/#comment-128 I assume that is you surfing, Sam. I assume that is you surfing, Sam.

]]> Comment on Eulogy by dave miers http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/eulogy/#comment-126 dave miers Mon, 16 Mar 2009 13:25:26 +0000 http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/03/16/eulogy/#comment-126 sorry to hear about your friend. praying for you with funeral. sorry to hear about your friend.

praying for you with funeral.

]]> Comment on Myanmar Reflections by Break it Down #3 | dave miers dot com http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/myanmar-reflections/#comment-125 Break it Down #3 | dave miers dot com Sun, 08 Mar 2009 13:18:35 +0000 http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-125 [...] Myanmar Reflections [...] [...] Myanmar Reflections [...]

]]> Comment on Myanmar Reflections by Dave Miers http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/03/03/myanmar-reflections/#comment-124 Dave Miers Tue, 03 Mar 2009 12:55:31 +0000 http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/?p=194#comment-124 very cool. glad it went well. i like this one: <i>The theoretical social gospel versus word ministry debate that takes place in Australia is a fruitless argument in their context.</i> very cool.
glad it went well.

i like this one:

The theoretical social gospel versus word ministry debate that takes place in Australia is a fruitless argument in their context.

]]> Comment on Myanmar – Day 6 by Dave Miers http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/myanmar-day-6/#comment-123 Dave Miers Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:20:35 +0000 http://thenewcastlehilton.wordpress.com/?p=181#comment-123 good to hear from you. prayed for you. good to hear from you.
prayed for you.

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